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Re: Development of Blake's 7 (was OASIS development)

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:50 am
by Chema
It was a pretty good idea, Symoon. It's just that I could not find a way to do it better :(

But it was a good challenge, and I'd learnt a lot!

I'd like to hear more opinions and ideas, anyway.

Re: Development of Blake's 7 (was OASIS development)

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:04 pm
by Dbug
Well, what's needed is sound :)
Either the whirrring of cameras moving, or foot steps, doors opening, computers beeping, etc...

Re: Development of Blake's 7 (was OASIS development)

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:54 pm
by Chema
This is nothing that can't be done. In fact I simply did not add more background sfx to avoid them being annoying: just the main character footsteps and door hiss when opening doors, and others just when you do things, solve puzzles and so on.

Something very little intrusive, so they give information to the player and not make the player deactivate sound as soon as he boots the game.

I could put sound of doors opening, even put some character moving from one place to another, but don't you think that would make the player try to find out what is going on? Or try to interact with that character looking for some clue? I'm asking because I would not want to put anything that could create a distraction.

Yeah, I know the character may be someone you can talk to, with no real involvement in the story, but I am talking about something more general.

Seriously, I am looking for ideas, as I just could not come up with anything convincing :)

Re: Development of Blake's 7 (was OASIS development)

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:11 pm
by ibisum
Its easy for me to say, since I'm just a random Internet dude, but my 2ยข is that sound effects should be integral to the game environment, itself - i.e., yes, sounds shouldn't be superfluous, but indeed part of the action .. its another layer upon which to give the player hints about what to do.

So, maybe one thing you could do is, use slightly different versions of the standard effects, in cases where there is something important - for example, there is a standard door hiss. If its for a door that will lead nowhere, leave it - use the standard hiss. But if its relevant to the plot-line, make the pitch of the hiss slightly higher/lower/different somehow, in order to give clues/hints for those of us who need it.

If the camera movement is relevant to the plot - make it a slightly different sound, and so on.

EDIT: btw, I'm willing to help with sound effects, if I can!

Re: Development of Blake's 7 (was OASIS development)

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:19 pm
by Dbug
Well, you had all these sounds in Space 1999 already.

It's what make the places memorable and alive.

Way too many Oric games are defined by either PING, SHOOT, ZAP, EXPLODE or pure silence, which is kind of a shame :)

Re: Development of Blake's 7 (was OASIS development)

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:43 pm
by Symoon
A small idea, in case you really want to waste remaining bytes: if the player has been inactive for a while, as soon as the pointer moves again, the character can say something like "ah, you're back!".

Re: Development of Blake's 7 (was OASIS development)

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:37 pm
by Chema
In Space 1999 we had footsteps, door hiss, the elevator, some small tunes and UI sfx. There was indeed a sfx of computers beeping which appeared in a couple of rooms only.

Here we have all those too (except the computer beeps, which I might add), plus many others such as teleport and some surprises, and I am currently adding some UI sfx (small pics of different pitch when the command sentence changes or when you clic to execute an action and one bell whenever ESC is used to interrupt a cutscene).

What I think is that these kind of games keep the player stopped thinking, reading a conversation or examining the environment for quite long, which makes these sfx sound only at given times, the rest being silent.

If you mean background sounds to put in some rooms... I may take a look at that. It should be possible indeed, but can't afford many of them.

On another thing, if I end up adding joystick support (only IJK and Telestrat) I have some questions:
- Is there any easy way to detect a Telestrat joystick? (detecting it, so I can activate the routines to handle it?)
- Does the IJK joystick detection routine in the wiki work? (same)
- Does anybody have a full routine to handle the Telestrat joystick (in the wiki some values of the table are missing)
- Is it the same routine as with a Telestrat mouse?

Re: Development of Blake's 7 (was OASIS development)

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:36 pm
by Chema
Adding small details to bring some rooms to life, such as this, before black and empty, screen... Marvels of multitasking scripting... ;)